According to the United States Supreme Court, Obama is ineligible to be the President. That’s right, you read that correctly. The United States Supreme Court has ruled that Obama is ineligible to serve as President.
It’s not that you haven’t been paying attention lately and yes, you can be excused for missing the ruling as it came down, not in the last few days but back in 1875.
This is the argument currently being made by the Liberty Legal Foundation but it is, as far as I can tell, a bad case. What follows is the case they are trying to make and what we should REALLY be looking at if we want to prove Obama’s ineligibility to hold the office.
The Liberty Legal Foundation has filed not 1 but 2 lawsuits, one in Arizona and the other in Tennessee neither of which have one single thing to do with Obama’s birth certificate OR challenging whether or not Obama was born in the United States.
There is no need for either in regard to these lawsuits.
At the core of this action is a simple request that Federal courts uphold the Supreme Court ruling. Both lawsuits, and the Liberty Legal Foundation promises there will be more, would render it impossible for the Democratic National Committee to place Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot.
Here’s the crux of it.
Back in 1875, the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, ruled that:
“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
Obama’s problem, by his own admission and records of the State Department is this:
Obama’s father was not a United States citizen.
Therefore, via Minor v, Happersett and the United States Supreme Court in 1875, Obama is ineligible because, since his father was not a U.S. citizen, Obama is not a natural born citizen.
The above assertion is incorrect…Obama’s father should not be viewed as the root cause of his ineligibility rather…it was his MOTHER who failed to meet U.S. law and code qualifications to pass along HER citizenship to HIM.
For a person to run, as his or her party’s nominee for President, the party must issue certification that the person named is eligible under the United States Constitution to become President.
Because the Constitution does not specify the definition of “Natural born citizen” it was left to the United States Supreme Court which, in 1875, defined it as a person born in a country of parents who were its citizens and, Obama’s father was NOT a U.S. citizen.
Bring this up to your liberal friends and they will laugh at you and call you a right wing nut job for saying Obama is ineligible but 
the quick and accurate response is clear. YOU are not saying this, and neither is the Liberty Legal Foundation. Obama is ineligible so sayeth the United States Supreme Court and if they care to attempt to label the United States Supreme Court of 1875 as right wing nut jobs…so be it and good luck with that.
If the Democratic Party should certify Obama, in the face of this ruling, they would be acting in a fraudulent manner and according to the actions being brought by the Liberty Legal Foundation, it is the political parties which are solely responsible for that certification and the Liberty Legal Foundation intends to hold BOTH parties accountable.
To be specific, the case of Minor v. Happersett was not intended to solve the question of Presidential eligibility at all. That case was in regard to a woman’s right to vote and while the case itself didn’t draw this specific issue into question, the Chief Justice, Morrison Waite, did, in fact address it in the issuing a written opinion of the Supreme Court’s decision.
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents.
As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words ‘all children’ are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as ‘all persons,’ and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.”
No doubt, liberals will attempt to cling to this line:
“Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents.”
Note that the Chief Justice Waite follows that with:
“As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
In this, the Chief Justice, and therefore, the Supreme Court makes clear that the one definition to which there is no doubt is:
“…that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
Indeed, there are 4 cases in which the United States Supreme Court has addressed “Natural Born Citizen.
1) The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
2) Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
“Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.”
3) Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.”
4) United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
“At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Clearly, by any of the 4 cases in which the United States Supreme Court has addressed the issue of “Natural Born Citizen” Obama, by the opinions rendered, is not one but that is by the OPINIONS and NOT by the DECISIONS as the Supreme Court has never once entertained a case based on Natural Born Citizenship. Not once.
If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he is therefore ineligible to run for or to serve as, the President.
Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution states:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
So…if not by any decision of the Supreme Court, How then IS Obama ineligible to serve as President?
As the Constitution offers no definition of “Natural Born Citizen” it falls to the United States Supreme Court and as I said, SCOTUS has never heard such a case but Obama’s mother, not being of age to automatically pass along her citizenship 
coupled with the fact that while attending school in Indonesia, Obama was an Indonesian citizen with no recorded repatriotation later in his life to be found…Obama seems to still BE an Indonesian citizen and THAT alone would make HIM…ineligible.
THOSE are the statutes and the laws and codes which negate Obama’s eligibility…not his father, not the Supreme Court and not his cleverly faked birth certificate.
We, as Conservatives, should rely on fact and truth rather than on twisted for our own agenda opinions that do not stand as decisions or as law in making our arguments against Obama’s eligibility and if we do that, the former rather than the latter, we can stop this socialist mess before it gets any worse.
Let’s talk about facts:
Ann Dunham was a citizen of the US, born in Kansas.
Barack was born in Hawaii. So far so good, right?
The 14th amendment to the constitution, Section 1 states:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It has been tested a number of times notably regarding a son of Chinese Nationals born in the US. He was declared a citizen by the Supreme Court. United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
The caveat is that “parents were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power”.
Barack’s father was a Chief economist with the Kenan Government.
Ah Ha, you say! But wait, that was long after Barack was born. It was also long after Ann divorced Sr. AND to top it all off Barack’s parents were never legally married because Sr. lied about a previous marriage to a woman in Kenya at the time he married Ann. He just happened to still be married to her.
Therefore, Barack only has one legal parent.
Now u can call him whatever u like but according to the 14th amendment – which y’all seem to conveniently forgot about as being part of the Constitution, Barack IS a natural citizen of the US…
Get over it!!! – find another worth while cause to dissipate your frustration on. Try arguing about Human’s contribution to global warming. Oh, that’s right – it isn’t happening. I’m sure glad I won’t be around 30 yrs from now when there are no winters anywhere and the Empire State bldg is under water………..
The arguments that it is the citizenship of the parents makes one a “natural born citizen” is pathetically incompetent. The sources for the meaning of the term are clear. In England and its colonies, and therefore the United States, “natural born” was only about location of birth, not parentage, and one natural born was also a citizen at birth if he was not a part of a family of foreign diplomats or invaders, or of a “domestic nation” (Indians) who were not part of the surrounding society. This is all presented in detail at my website link.
To Richard and Glenn concerning your remarks on Jan 19th and 26th about the Constitutional clause: Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution states: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
What grade did you two quit school because you obviously can’t read. There were NO “natural-born citizens” of the US BEFORE the US won independence from England — DUH! They were all subjects of England. There would not be a “natural-born citizen” eligible to be president for at least 35 years after the US was created and people became “citizens” of the US by choice. Two “citizen” parents could then have a “natural-born” child of the new country. The clause was written in such a way as to cover those years BEFORE there would be “natural-born citizens” eligible to be president.
Also, (for your information) at that time a woman took the citizenship of the husband as well as the children took the citizenship of the FATHER. There was NO DUAL CITIZENSHIP. If the FATHER was not a US citizen the children were NOT born US citizens even IF they were born on US soil. US citizenship was a matter of choice made by the FATHER. When the FATHER became a US citizen, so did his family. If you check back on other old citizenship cases before the courts, you will find that the citizenship of the FATHER was always brought into question.
To become a US citizen today, foreigners have to give up all allegiance to any other country and swear allegiance to the US ONLY. The 14th Amendment is being misinterpreted to give US citizenship to children born on US soil when the parent’s ALLEGIANCE is to a FOREIGN country. There is NO WAY on God’s green earth that the “natural-born” clause can mean that the FATHER can have allegiance to a FOREIGN country!
I know how hard the far left has tried to twist the meaning of the Constitution, but research and common sense will tell you the truth. Obama CAN’T be a “natural -born” citizen. Maybe, through his mother — IF he was born on US soil, he can be a citizen ONLY, but he is NOT eligible to be President!
On April 12th,2012, admin wrote: Via the 14th amendment, those born on U.S. soil are U.S. citizens. By the argument presented in this article, those without both parents being citizens at the time of the child’s birth would not be Natural Born Citizens. That is exactly the point. There IS a difference between citizens and natural born citizens.
FINALLY someone has it right! The left argues that just because Obama is born on US soil that makes him a natural-born citizen. One of the lower courts ruled that ANYONE (no matter who the parents are) born on US soil is a natural-born citizen. It totally negates the reason for the natural-born clause in the Constitution in the first place, which was to keep foreign influence out of the presidency. Logically, the Founders did not want someone with foreign influence to be the head of our armies!
With Sheriff Arpaio’s latest findings, it’s doubtful that Obama was even born on US soil. That would mean that he is NOT a US citizen at all. That’s why the birth certificate issue IS important.
What is scary is the amount of pull that is being used to create this fraud. How will the American people fight a government and judicial system that has sold us out? Will the military back Obama or will they back the people and the Constitution? The media that is brainwashing the public is backing this fraud on the American people. People who do not believe Obama is eligible are called “birthers” and called nut cases. Too many people are afraid to say anything because they can’t take the ridicule by the politically correct crowd on the far left.
One thing for certain is that this country is headed down the road to hell and too many people don’t want to believe it’s true. I pray that we get a miracle that will turn this country around and head us back in the right direction. Maybe if a lot more people would pray also, we could get that miracle this country needs!
Has anyone bothered to tell yoyo O that he has NO right to sit where he does so vacate the premises NOW? Who the heck is waiting for the elections? He has NO RIGHT TO THE CHAIR NOT TO MENTION THE BALLOTS!!! BACK WHEN OR NOW OR AHEAD….HE IS A FRAUD!!!!!! HE MUST GET OUT OF WA AND MADE TO DO SO NOW AND HELD FOR DEFAUDING US AND OUR NATION! WHO IS THE ONE TO DO THIS AND WHY ARE THEY WAITING? HAS NO ONE THE GUTS TO GET IT ALL DONE AND GET THINGS BACK WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE…KICK OUT ALL OF HIS OBNXIOUS EXECUTIVE ORDERS –an the clowns he has appointed all over the place!!. One would not think giving the man the key to the Exec Mens Loo would go to his head like it has!!! Now he thinks he is king of the Exec order too….think he better stick to being master of the Loo!
The courts seem to conveniently forget the “…subject to the jurisdiction…” clause…
By this logic, the majority, quite possibly the vast majority, of the readers of this are not American citizens. You have immigrant ancestors, and quiet large numbers of them never became citizens, and of course their children never bothered to naturalize since they were assumed to be citizens. And of course their children in turn didn’t become citizens. Add it all up over the centuries and almost nobody is a citizen unless you or your parents underwent naturalization.
@ David Argall
How overtly wrong you are. Via the 14th amendment, those born on U.S. soil are U.S. citizens. By the argument presented in this article, those without both parents being citizens at the time of the child’s birth would not be Natural Born Citizens. That is exactly the point. There IS a difference between citizens and natural born citizens.
The reason is this: The house could write up the articles of impeachment, but the Senate will NEVER hear the case. That is why he will never be impeached. His eligibility will never be heard in the Supreme Court. It would create a constitutional crisis unlike any ever seen before. It is better to have him leave after 4 than to try to impeach and remove him before. Besides, his legal team would certainly work to make sure it won’t be heard before the election.
Okay, so the Supreme Court says Obama is not eligible to be The President of the United States. Why are they even deciding the question of Obamacare being Constitutionally legal or not? He’s not legally the President. So he couldn’t pass that law. Hes lying about everything. IMPEACH HIM NOW. I just don’t understand why it has taken almost 4 years to come to the conclusion he is ineligible to occupy the White House.
First everyone should read the “Bilgerburg Group” and you will see exaclty what the socialists in our government are doing step by step.
Secondly if you ever see a picture of Obama and his grandfather on the beach and look at a picute of him now ………..there are too many features whee they look alike. You would have some of your dad’s or grandfathers feataures but you would not look exacllty like them………perhaps there is more to these hidden documents that the left wants you to know.
Thirdly he is NOT a natural born citizen and how did congress not vett him in the first place so congress is to blame for this man being president too. It is time to take a stand and impeach this man. Since when is he above the law. If this were you or I and we did not answer a supeona we would be in jail. If we didn’t pay our taxes we would be in jail or lose everything we own.
It is time he took his czars and get the Heck out of this country altogether. He is only making high paying government jobs as pay backs for his supporter. Is I believe is graft.
I could go on and on however we all know that they only way to get rid of this man is to NOT VOTE for him……..make sure he has enough signitures to be on the ballot in your state………..In INdiana he was short some 400 in 2008…..so who let him on the ballot. His organizations are up to their ususal scare tactics so be watchful……..don’t be afraid to question.
IMPEACH him! the tried IMPEaching Nixion for less that what this egotistical maniac is doing to our beloved country.
If any one had any balls left that is in power they would have the US marshals go pick him up in the white house and arrest him and put his ass in jail.
The thing is the V P is a puppet to so we need some one in there to get this country back on its feet.
Some of the states could still reseed from the union and become there own country like they did just before the civil war then the Governors would be in change of the state or there new country.
And what stupid ass hole in the government years back decided to give the big company’s tax brakes to ship jobs over seas they should of been shot for treason of this country because all this shit happened back in the early 1970’s when the jobs started going over seas.
now if any big company’s what to have there jobs over seas then we should tax the hell of of them to put them in bankruptcy for what they are doing.
We need this country back and we need it strong NOW.
Because the way things are going we owe china more money right now then what we owe the national debt now what are we going to do when china calls us on the money i mean they want there money back.
And china is trying to get to be the super power of the world they have been buying up all the Russian ships and subs for they can do what they want to any place in the world.
Now if we don’t do some thing now what are we going to do when that happens we need to stay the super power not china.
And from what i have hard that when china wants there money and we cant pay them back then they say they will take the USA as part as china now i don’t think most people of the USA will let this happen.
So now you tell me and every one else what are we going to do about this.
And most of the government want the north american union to start this is where the USA and Canada and Mexico become ( 1 ) country now we cant let this happen ether.
well this is it for now.
Think about what you do and think about what the government is doing and when you vote don’t just vote for some thing to do think about what the hell you are doing there ….
OKAY, NOW THEY FINALLY PROVED HE IS INELIGIBLE TO EVEN BE A PRESIDENTIAL IMPOSTER HOW QUICK WILL THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ?
Well this case has been heard in Georgia and sadly the judge ruled, he denied the request to remove Bozos name from the State ballot in 2012. Even though Bozo nor his attorney showed up for the hearing and disregarded a court order to appear. Does this tell you all you need to know? I hope so, because it is my belief that the judge was either threatened or bought.
Then rewind everything this imposter did.
This entire argument is part of the reason nothing is being done in the us congress….
its all about race isn’t it? yet? 2012? /
welcome back to the >??? deep deep south? Look at the picture of obama above? why that one?
what a sad nation we are, but even though i find your actions against the president horrible..i will defend your right to question anything your governmentg does..and to be allowed to voice your opinion…its what makes us america….
All these comments are useless,he’s in the whitehouse, just make sure he doesn’t get a second term to continue to dismantle our Country.
ok , i have read, and reread the constitution, article 2, and due to a COMMA, no person born after 1787 is eligible to be president. please look. it states no preson that is not a natural citizen, or a citizen of the us,(note major comma here) shall be eligible to be…………… .The comma after citizen of the us makes anyone born after the constitution ineligble. Therefore noone alive today can be president according to the constitution as written, unless i am missing some major ruling in my research. I found this to be an interesting excersize in reading the constitution to find the comma and really read that seciton. so i think the courts will strike down any attempt at this move, to be arcaine and non sequetor. in which case, ya knwo what, arnold swartenager could be pres……lol, (i hope not)
I believe the entire article ignores the second part of the eligibility qualification after the word “OR”: (or a Citizen of the United States, ) if he was a citizen of the US himself at the time of the election, he is eligible.
Looking at the entire section, it obviously seems that the provision no longer applies anyway since it clearly states: AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION. I do not believe this claim will ever reach a court because of (1) The way the provision is worded with the OR qualifier, or (2) It’s lack of application to the present time. Those who have expressed such violent agreement to the article which is very much doubtful in its accuracy, are merely using this forum to vent their intense dislike of the current president and ignoring the fragility of the article in the constitution. They should abandon looking for such loopholes and simply use the ballot box-and their freedom of speech- to help defeat the man they do not like. READ IT AGAIN CAREFULLY! (The comma makes “at the time of the Adoption” apply to BOTH parts of the provision…A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES! Stop beating this horse! It will go nowhere!
Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution states: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
In fact…It WILL reach Court just 1 week from TODAY!!
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=3997
It seems as if not a single person who finds ‘legal grounds’ to disqualify Obama can figure out a way to carry it out. Every single ‘detective’ simply publishes his ‘findings’ and then stands around waiting for someone to take action. What a joke! Find another hobby!
…….And what, if anything, do you intend to do about it? I am sick and tired of reading articles like this one, making all sorts of outlandish claims, and then seeing NO ACTION, which proves that the claim made is just that: OUTLANDISH
If this were a legitimate issue, it should have already been taken to court!
Mariana…this case is going to be heard in a Georgia Court on Jan. 26th of THIS year, I wrote an article regarding this very thing just a couple weeks ago. So…it HAS…outlandish as you seem to think it is…moved forward.
All this is talk. What’s going to happen? NOTHING! I wish someone would be man enough to kick BHO out of office. Please, someone rise up and defend the constitution of the United States of America.
All this love for Ronald Reagan who was the most guilty of anti-constitutional behavior. RR makes Obama look like a saint.
I ask you all to listen to John Dummett; I have been told he is going to run; he has also filed a lawsuit against the DNC and that is appropriate…they, Pelosi and Reid bringing the verbalization to the people of the USA committed a treasonous act in not vetting this Monster we have in office.
One would think that if and when he is declared ineligible and was inelgibile to serve a few things might take root…all he has done is illegal and therefore is now null and void..how do we return the wanton use of our monies from he and the orangutan that he calls wife..don’t know but I do know we can bring him to trial for fraud, SS fraud, treason many times and I truly believe attempt at Sedition of the people of the USA..then how about depraved indifference to human lives by ordering our troops into Afghanistan, Libya?? Perhaps we could even get his wages attached and all of his deposits from across the seas..which leads me to another point, all these trips they take…are they taking our stimulus money with them and hiding it somewhere? Do you know that Ethanol will ruin our environment and kill off our creatures…read about Brazil..they are approaching 80% deforestation … and how about, about 100 000 jobs he has taken to Brazil along with our money?
You are saying Romney is a financial wizard? How? He bankrupted his state with Romneycare and they still have not dug out …he has failed many times, he is not trustworthy, he flip flops back and forth on major issues, his body language and eyes belie the fact that he is nothing more than a big spender, wealthy, fibber mcGee; personally, I’ve had enough of that for three years…don’t need a white guy in there doing basically the same thing…he supports, back and forth Obamacare…you need to look at this candidate closely..like most poiticians, he is good at spinning around what you are asking into what he thinks you want to hear…we are sunk if he gets in…better follow the endorsement of our military..they know what is needed…………………
An Additional point to this discussion line //
FACT:
It is mandated by every State Constitution and Election Law, the “bonafides” of every candidate MUST be CONFIRMED and VERIFIED by the State Election Officer BEFORE the name of the candidate is ALLOWED TO BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT!!
By not performing the duties of this office with due diligence as prescribed by law.. these election officers have committed FRAUD. CONDONED PERJURY, AND ENCOURAGED MISFEASANCE IN OFFICE,
thus subjecting themselves to not only criminal changers but impeachment proceedings as well..
WE have so many persons involved in this fantastic con game upon the general citizenry of the US it is totally mind boggling… when one looks at the depth and dimension of the issue…
“Natural born” does not mean the same as “natural-born”. The former is “born by natural means”, so someone “born” by Caesarean Section would not be natural born; the second refers to “native-born”.
So, if the Constitution states “Natural born citizen” then, either the authors proscribed persons born by unnatural means, or, if “native-born citizens” was the intended meaning, the authors were not skilled in grammar.
Other than that revelation, my only other comment is “grow up you stupid people”. Heed what Vivian (on December 11) said – she was able to offer rational, responsible, comments, while admitting she was not an Obama supporter. If America had more citizens like Vivian, then it would not be the rag-tag, gun-happy, xenophobic, racist, whimpering, greedy, selfish society that it has become over the last 20 years.
IT’S REALLY APAULLING TO READ SOMEONE SAYING IT DOESSN’T SAY THIS, SO IT COULD MEAN THIS. HOW DO YOU READ A LAW? THEN SAY WELL IT ISN’T TALKING ABOUT ME BECAUSE MY NAME ISN’T MENTIONED. WHEN CLEARLY THE CONSTITUTION STATES BY DEFINITION THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR HAVING THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT! THERE IS NO REASON TO CLARIFY CITIZEN ANY FURTHUR UNLESS IT IS TO CHANGE IT TO SATISFY OBAMA SUPPORTERS.
NANVY PELOSI IS INFACT GUILTY OF BREAKING ELECTION LAWS AND VIOLATION OF THE OATH OF HER OFFICE.BY ALLOWING A NON QUALAFIED PERSON TO BE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT NANCY PELOSI IS A TRAITOR TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! MICHELLE OBAMA BY KEEPING QUITE ABOUT HER HUSBANDS NON QUALIFICATIONS IS A TRAITOR AS WELL. ALL INVOLVED SHOULD BE PUT INTO PRISON FOR LIFE!!! THIS CANNOT GO UNCHALLANGED. ALL CONGRESSMEN ARE GUILTY UNLESS THEY ACT TO PROSECUTE ALL WHO ARE GUILTY!
P IN Ga.
THEO,Theo Says:
November 15th, 2011 at 1031pm
But nowhere does this say that the *only* way to be a natural-born citizen is to be born of two citizens. It never implicently or explicitely excludes the possibility that a person could be a natural-born citizen with lesser or differing credentials.
THE ONLY REASON NOT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION IS YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT IT SAYS. YOU ONLY WISH TO ADD TOO, OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE LAW! NO FURTHER EXPLANATION IS REQUIRED. THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR IN EXPLAINING OBAMA IS CLEARLY NOT ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR NOR BE A PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES!!! PERHAPS ALONG WITH THE CONSTITUTION WE CAN REWRITE THE MEANING TO WORDS IN THE DICTIONARY TO SUITE YOU AS WELL???
P.IN Ga.
He’s talking about the Naturalization Act of 1790, the only time Congress ever did anything to clarify the definition of “natural born citizen”.
What do you make of the following?
In the act of 1790, the provision as to foreign-born children of American citizens was as follows:
“The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”
Whether you like him or not, Obama is 1) the child of an American citizen (his mother) -NOT QUESTIONED, 2) with a foreign father who actually did reside in the USA for a time – NOT DOUBTED, and 3) even if he was not born in Hawaii, that is IRRELEVANT because his mother’s citizenship, since its value for conferring citizenship at birth (natural-born) is not invalidated by having a foreign father-who-never-was-resident-in-the-United-States.
There are only two categories of citizen: natural-born or naturalized. Many children of United States citizens have been born overseas. They do not have to become naturalized. They are registered as American citizens without question at the American Embassy or Consulate in the country where they are born without any question as to their being a citizen-by-birth (natural-born). They never have to go through a process of “naturalization”. What third category is there?
To prove that Obama is disqualified constitutionally (whatever you think of his politics) to serve as POTUS, at least one of the following must be shown:
either 1) his mother was not an American citizen when he was born,
or 2) his foreigner father NEVER resided in the USA,
or 3) he had not lived for fourteen years in the USA before his candidacy,
0r 4) he was younger than 35 years old when elected.
Perhaps you could point directly to that part of the constitution which states that if the father “resided” for a time in the U.S. his child is a “Natural Born Citizen.” I’m sure we would ALL like to know where that can be found.
Not only is he NOT a Natural born United states citizen, HE IS A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!! I don;t give a darn what he or anybody else says, I know a man down at the local convenience store who is from Pakistan, HE said being half muslim is like being half Jewish, your accepted as one of them.
obama is a clear and present danger! Why was he even allowed to run being half enemy?
Our only hope is Ron Paul. I hope more people see that both the GOP and the Demos are all in bed together in keeping their power and that is why they suppress any media news about Paul. The high ranking ones are teaming with the Federal Reserve and making millions off us. It’s time to stop them!
Seriously? Our only hope for WHAT??? Paul thinks that we should have BOUGHT all the slaves in order to free them. The guy is certifiably NUTS!!!
I may be wrong, but I believe that this same ruling could be applied to the illegal immigrant issue. The situation is already out of control, but at least there should be some new policy making based on citizenship, not whether a person is already in the country or simply born in the country. For example, perhaps the hospitals are unable to refuse emergency services to non-citizens, but taxpayers should not be liable for providing free benefits to illegal immigrants and non-citizens should definitely not be allowed to vote or obtain a driver’s license.
Okay folks, we have beat this horse to death too many times and waisted way to much time over something that is too far in the past to correct now. If the courts decide he is eligible, regardless of where he was born or to whom (and I think it has already been done) will you elect him again.
It’s your call.
To me this is closing to door after the cows are out. Get over it. Let’s start focusing of what needs to be done and get it done. We have the power to elect someone to replace him. So lets look at who we think can do the job and stand behind him once he is in office.
I don’t agree with much the current President has done nor did I vote for him. But I sure as hell will follow him wherever he takes me because by not doing so would be to say I don’t agree with the American way. No I didn’t say follow him blindly and if it’s against the law, I wouldn’t do it either. But if we allow our after thoughts to decide our loyalty to the United States and what we stand for, shame of us. Remember you may not like the sitting President, but enough Americans did to put him in office, they voted. You have that same option.
The rest of the world is watching and laughing.
Please remember this as well, only we can destroy the U.S. from within.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall is not just a nice phrase!
Look, I’m about as conservative as they come and I can’t stand Mr. Obama’s politics. I was deeply depressed when he got elected and I hope with all my heart that he is defeated in 2012. But the lack of basic logic and reading comprehension in this article makes me weep, and tremble for the future of my country.
Please consider the following points of logic:
1. In Minor Vs. Happerstett, the Supreme Court ruled that children born on U.S. soil to U.S. citizen parents are clearly U.S. citizens.
2. In that case, and in the other cases cited, the Supreme Court did not rule one way or the other on the status of children born on U.S. soil to one or two non-citizen parents. In Minor Vs. Happerstett, they specifically noted that this was an area of some dispute, and DECLINED TO RULE ON IT one way or the other because it was not pertinent to the case they were deciding.
3. In the absence of clear direction from the Constitution, it is the responsibility of Congress to establish the laws governing citizenship. Congress has done so. Those laws grant natural-born citizen status to all children born on U.S. soil regardless of the status of their parents. Some people don’t like those laws, but they are the laws that have been in effect for many years now (since before Obama was born). If he was indeed born in Hawaii, then he is a natural-born U.S. citizen, regardless of who his parents were.
4. If Obama were ruled not to be a citizen because he has a non-citizen father, this would also affect the citizenship status of millions of current American citizens who had one or both non-citizen parents (including legal permanent residents) at the time of their birth. This would create societal chaos and invalidate every election we’ve ever had, because all of those citizens have voted in them.
5. Conservatives are supposed to be philosophically opposed to judicial activism. If a topic is not specifically covered by the Constitution and existing laws, it is up to the legislative branch to deal with it, not the judicial branch. Therefore, if the Constitution does not define what it means to be a natural-born citizen, it should be up to Congress to define it, not the Supreme Court.
My contact within the “Illuminati” was quite direct when asked who the next President would be.
The answer: Mitt Romney. He was chosen to follow Obama months ago.
Follow him through the revolving door of “Drain the old system of every last drop of any value, anywhere before we attempt to force the new system that makes us the new kings of the USA.”
Romney was selected for his willingness to do back-flips for those in charge of both parties and anti-trustworthy corporations who can afford to “pay to play” when it comes to seeking government assistance to help the government abide by their own laws.
Due to my role in the “new story” I can’t be anything but a cheerleader. I can however, deliver methodologies for the populace as a whole to end this BS, and fix it for another 1000 years. If you can say “No” to yourself, you have the self control needed to lead our nation.
I’m voting for Mitt Romney. I think he’s the man for the job. Forget his religion, he’s a financial wizard and I believe he’ll be able to pull America out of this Quagmire that Prez Pretender has gotten us into. I say kick him out of office, no pension, erase ALL the bills he signed and exile his family to Kenya. In ancient times, the Egyptians would erase the false Pharoah’s name from every monument, every statue and break all small statues that bore his likeness. I say just cut his head from every photo. I think the new Prez should also fire all of Prez Pretender’s appointee’s and put in his own. And screw atheists! It’s about time we shift this country around back to believing in Almighty God once again who gave us this land and our freedom and praising our brothers-in-arms and thanking them for putting their life on the line.Remember folks, Jesus is the reason for the season. So be nicer to one another, give to the bell ringers, God Bless you And Merry Christmas and to all a good night!
Something to note from Minor v, Happersett, for those who think that there are three types of citizens. Chief Justice Waite makes no such distinction. He starts off talking about natural born citizens and ends up speaking of those who become, upon their birth, citizens, with nothing to separate the two. It seems obvious that he considered a citizen “natural born” if it acquired the status of citizen “upon their birth”.
No one and I mean no one, will stop Obama. Do you want proof? Ask Congress, ask the Senate, ask the Courts and you will get a resounding NO for an answer. Yes, America as we know it is finished. When Obama gets reelected he will rip the Constitution to shreds! He will stomp the Bill of Rights into the ground! He will place America under the control of the NWO. You think I’m kidding about this? Just wait and watch.
Like many whom have commented, I feel weary of this nation’s future and futile in being able to stop its decline and eventual demise. I wish Mr. Dummett God’s speed in successfully obtaining redress in the courts, however, considering the level of corruption at the highest pillars of government, I don’t hold out much hope he will win! The entire constitution has been tipped upside down where the people are the subjects of the District of Criminals governing every aspects of our lives. Something to do with the “Golden Rule” that is he/she who has the gold makes the rules. If you don’t think we’ve gotten to the point of no return you simple need reference page 28 and 29 of Marx’s Manifesto of the Communist Party and see the 10 tenants of how we’ve been transformed from a Constitutional Republic to a Marxist/Socialist society despite what seems to be accelerated under obamanation’s leadership agenda. As some have said before, God help us all!
@e.vattel – Dred Scott is widely regarded as one of the worst SC cases in our history. The only redeeming value I can find in it is the delineation of rights that Chief Justice Taney’s opinion contained: “It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went”, which clearly states the contemporaneous interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
And Chief Justice Fuller dissented in WKA, which makes his opinion of Vattel less than binding on any future Court.
@Obama2012 – while most of the posters here appear to be deranged, you’re apparently unable to read simple English. The key words are not “or a Citizen of the United States”. Note the following phrase “at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”. They were necessary because there were very few “natural born Citizen”s at the time the Constitution was adopted, and none of an age to be President.
And now that clause is meaningless, unless you can find someone still alive who was a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted.
I see some of you donot get it! I have not read all the comments, nevertheless, some of you are grasping at a false notion. Someone may have already stated this. No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States ((this second part is the part in question) (now comes the answer)), at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligable for the office of President…..
Nevertheless, Ladies and Gentlemen, nothing wil be done! The entire ruling elite are sold-out cowards! There are 435 members in Congress, 100 in the Senate, 9 on the Supreme Court, and 1 President. These 545 people rule this land. They swear an oath of alligence, then, in the next breath, dis-honor the Constitution and the Rule of Law. THEY ARE TRAITORS!!! They create laws, they pass laws, and uphold or interpert as they are bought off to do. They ignore, even publicly state that the Cionstitution is worthless, a piece of tolet paper. So sir, we are ruled by tairants, who say, to hell with the people, they are only dumb-ass animals (goyim)!!! They think of themselves as gods on earth and say too hell with the animals, we will do as we please. (Oh yes, from time to time, someone gets punished. Nevertheless, could it have been because they did not serve there, behind-the-closed door, MASTER, as the MASTER required.) JESUS HELP US, we need YOU!!! Thank You
You are all wrong. The US Constitution states:
Article 2 Section 1: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
The key words there are, “or a Citizen of the United States”.
Amendment 14 states:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Therefore Obama is our president. And doing a fine job. I only wish that we had a single source health insurance.
Obama 2012, FTW!!
America, don’t worry because I am quite sure that the two-witnesses of Revelation, chapter 11 will make their appearance on next September 16, 2012, which is the Annual Feast of Trumpets(war) on the Hebrew calender. Hopefully, a lot of you readers already know that “Hebrew” is the “ONLY INSPIRED LANGUAGE” and all things “New” such as the New Covenant must be proven in Hebrew(Zeph. 3:9, Acts 26:14, 1 Cor. 4:6) and correct again, our SAVIOR CAN NOT HAVE A GREEK NAME! Remember, the Scriptures must be only read though the process of scientific deduction(2 Peter 1:20) and anything read in the New MUST be also found in the OLD HEBREW SCRIPT! p.s. In Hebrew the faher’s name is Yahweh(YHWH) and the son’s name is YAHSHUA, meaning in Hebrew: :”Yahweh means salvation!” Watch!
I’ve been banging my head against the wall for three YEARS saying the exact same thing THIS says and NOBODY listened! I wrote congressmen, senators and everyone else I could think of TELLING them the exact same thing…NO response!
In fact, the same ones I wrote to were later heard to say that they believed obama cause he said he was born in Hawaii. WHAT do they NOT understand about BOTH parents being citizens??? IT IS VERY SIMPLE to understand, if a lay person can read our Constitution and UNDERSTAND FULLY what was meant, WHY IN THE HELL CAN’T THEY?????? People who are SUPPOSED to understand these things! Could it be that the whole mess up there is CORRUPT?????? If they deem themselves NOT subject to our LAWS as in the insider trading debacle, what else do they deem themselves NOT subject to our laws on???? The whole BUNCH needs to go…VOTED OUT! ESPECIALLY the ones who have been there over two terms! NOW we know WHY they are against term limits…they need years to play the stock market to accumilate as much wealth as possible and garner as many favors as possible. Corrupt to the core and the whole mess of them needs replacing!!! AND the media needs dealing with for they are as much a problem as the people in congress are, if not more so! These media people have no souls, they are mindless robots!!!
All these facts, is like saying, I can’t see the forest because of all the trees. The devil is the master deceiver. The Dems are master deceivers. They have this art of deception down to a science. We all know we are headed to a global government, and that all this petty bickering between party lines side steps our real threat. America is slowly losing our culture, our religion, our time honored way of life. Our education system, the media, and all other forms of information sharing has been tainted. Yes I agree, with Obama’s, inelgibility, but we need to take action, now, before the ship sinks. When a ship is going down, we don’t have to call in an engineer, to discuss and study, if whether or not we are sinking, we simply get to work to stop the leak, or bail out. I don’t want to bail out. What I want to do is stop the leak. All these so-called legal remedies will take years to implement , and that is just on one person, what about when there are many people involved, my God, this could take 250 years to resolve. By this time, the ship has sunk, and is well on the way being forgotten. If we have an imposter for President, we need to arrest him, and try him for treason, immediately, along with all the other co-conspirators that enabled all this to happen.
John Dummett
I think you’re right in what you say . But don’t you think we have a true supporter of the constitution in the person of Ron Paul , why not throw our effort to electing him .
This is interesting…can’t wait to see how it plays out! To have a man in the office of president who isn’ qualified to be our president is amazing. Wish this would have come up when he was the nominee…we could have short circuited some of the nonsense that has followed.
Why is it “Dick Carpenter’s” comments seem racist towards Republicans? I feel sad for shallow minded individuals like him that are too ignorant to understand how Obama’s ideals are destroying the US constitution and the democracy in our country.
John Dummett
This part of your statement is incorrect.
“The law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth required that the mother and father be natrural born themselves.”
The only requirement for the parents is citizens of the US, not natural born citizens.
If EVERYONE involved with his ascension to the Oval office as well as all who improperly benefited from this and many other crimes is not arrested and put on trial within the next 60 days, I feel it only appropriate that they are all eligible for being found and executed and allowed to rot where they fall wherever they can be found. 60 days. I feel a bounty of taxpayer money is wholly appropriate for each Congressman, Senator and member in any decision making capacity of BOTH political parties as they have all been in collusion to perpetrate against the American people the greatest crimes of an attempted “bloodless” coup d etat, purposefully bankrupting this nation, and causing many people to commit suicide at their actions. There is no penalty short of death for all involved. OPEN OBAMA’S FILES AND HE MIGHT ESCAPE EXECUTION.
The suffering he has cost me personally physically, emotionally, financially and spiritually with the unexpressed purpose of “depopulating” me from the face of the Earth while waving the American flag is unconscionable. I want public arrests with perp-walks for all the cameras within 60 days! McCain threw in with Pelosi and the bunch of traitors when he secretly wrote and introduced the most heinous legislation anyone claiming to be in the cause of freedom could have ever written. A complete house cleaning with public executions on the Capitol Steps is what is needed.
Obama is not a natural born citizen of these United States. There is even doubt that he is a native born citizen. And most certainly he is not a naturalized citizen. McCain and Palin would have done a million times better than Obama because at least they are natural born. The Constitution is specific, You can’t tell me that from 1776 until 1789 our founding fathers fought and scratched over every comma, paragraph, sentence, and word was fought and bickered over all those years. Every letter of the Constitution was carefully chosen. It is not the fault of our Founding Fathers that the People of the United States have been so dumbed down that they do not realize that the Constitution specifically spells out a difference to be a Senator or a President. To be a Senator you only need to be a citizen. To be President you must be Natural Born. Understand that being born in this country makes you a native born but not necessarily a Natural Born Citizen. Minor vs Happesett specifically speaks to what a natural born citizen is and Obama is certainly not natural born. The law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth stated specifically that both parents needed to be natural born to confer that status on their children. Obama has spent millions on hiding information that could shed any light on his birth status and the fact is there is no reason why anyone would prevent any American from seeing with their own two eyes that both his mother and father were born in the United States. Quit fooling yourselves because you certainly can’t fool me that the fact that Obama’s father was born in Kenya was neverr a US citizen of any kind. The law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth required that the mother and father be natrural born themselves. OBAMA IS NOT A US NATURAL BORN CITIZEN PERIOD NOT ON THIS PLANET NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WISH IT OR THINK IT. AT THE MOST HE MIGHT BE A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN BUT HE HIDES THIS INFORMATION TOO SO WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP STATUS. Being born on US soil is not enough no matter how hard you wish it were so. I am going to prove this with the suit I have already filed agains the DNC and I will end his illegal preaidency.
Justice Daniel used the Vattel definition in Dred Scott.
Chief Justice Fuller used the Vattel definition in WKA.
Pack your bags Obama, Time for you to do the right thing for America.Time also to see if the Congress and the Senate will do their job and tell him to step down.
This information needs to be given to every State authority involved with the presidential elections as well as Attorney Generals, or whomever would be in charge of preventing a name to be placed fraudulently on a ballot. It looks as if it is going to be up to us to spread the word by sharing this with everyone we know and putting pressure on our Senators, Representatives, and anyone in our state who has anything to do with the Presidential elections. Don’t sit in your hands, get moving sending e-mails, making phone calls, etc.
To all of those relying on Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”.
Emerich de Vattel was a Swiss philosopher. “The Law of Nations” was his attempt to define what such a law had to look like. It has never had any legal standing in the U.S. (or, as far as I know, in any country).
That often-used statement, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens”, is from the 1797 English translation. No known earlier translation used the term “natural-born citizens”. Yet the Constitution was adopted in 1787, ten years BEFORE the term appeared in “The Law of Nations”. The original French editions of “The Law of Nations” do not use any term that could possibly be translated as “natural-born”. The phrase used is “Les naturels, ou indigènes, sont ceux qui sout nés dans le pays, de parents citoyens.” There’s nothing that could be translated as “natural-born citizen” in there. Both “naturels” and “indigènes” translate as “natives” in English.
The copies of “The Law of Nations” that Franklin had, and reportedly supplied to the Constitutional Convention, were in the original French. So it seems clear that, rather than being the source of the term in the Constitution, the Constitution is the source for the term in the English translation of “The Law of Nations”.
So where did the authors of the Constitution come up with the term? Read U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark.
It seems that approximately 20 attempts to void the “Natural Born” part of the Constitution began in the 60’s with Vic Snyder of Arkansas. It was also included in a bill introduced in the Senate by B. Obama and H. Clinton. What gives with this. They knew all along that this problem would be there. They hoped to appoint their court members to get their way. Both members appointed by obama lied during the confirmation hearing and should be removed.
It’s amazing how willingly, even compulsively, misinformed people can be. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark definitively answered this question. They spent quite a bit of time and effort determining the meaning of “natural born”, and their answer had nothing to do with the bogus arguments presented here. Basically, it came down to “A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution….”
Based upon that criteria, Obama is a citizen at birth. And no court has ever seen any difference between citizen at birth and “natural born citizen”.
Of course, the counterpart to that is the “have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity”. That excludes the children of illegals and tourists, as well as the children of diplomats. We do need a SC decision verifying that.
Reason before dogma.
DonnaJ (reference above comment dated 12/3/2011): Thanks for quoting the rest of the sentence that has raised the question of O.B.’s eligibility: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Consitition, shall be eligible to the Office of President…”
Notice: “…AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITION…” Since the adoption of the constitution occurred sometime in the late 1700’s, obviously it had long since been adopted before O.B was born, there does not meet either of the stated the birth requirements of Article II.
Nice try DonnaJ. You tell us “OR” in relation to the citizenship requirements for President. It is too bad you did not keep reading… “OR a Citizen of the United States AT THE TIME of adoption of this Constitution.
Do you believe any of those are still alive today?
Semper Fi
Wow, this thread has to go down in history as getting the MOST response.
Amazing how many people BUY into the con job of the constitution!
Those were “usurpers” and anyone who has studied it should know that. WHO gave the authority to ordain and establish a constitution? NOT the people on the land…the sovereigns never had a say in it!
I view the con job as the Bylaws of the Corporation…and the corporation has clearly been making up their OWN rules since the late 1700’s. Anyone study when and where thee United States first became a Corporation? You should!
To some is given knowledge; and to some of those is given wisdom, and to some of those is given understanding. With understanding comes great sorrow! Of course, the beginning is Proverbs 1:7. Based on my learning most will not have the courage to proceed (Matt. 10:28 to 16.25) with understanding.
The deception began when we turned against the Lord (Deut. 28.13 and 28.43/44).
People invoke God’s name in their thread but is the spirit within you as you have all broken HIS laws. MAN is not ABOVE god yet everyday people “believe” men can tell them what to do. The creator is not the reason for government…think about that for awhile. What did he give us and what did he ask in return?
We need to move fast to expose that his father was not an american citizen
and that obama is not eligible to be president before he or anyone else has time
to change the law. This is not new news so talk is fine but we need immediate
action. Start with a petition and demand that the congress hear and take this
information up immediately or the courts.
As we all know Obama has been trying to rewrite the Constitution. A ruling in 1875 will NOT be looked at as a current ruling, if there is NO ruling by the current SCOTUS, then this is a moot issue and we are at the same place we were 4 years ago, with 2 very likely fake birth certificates.
Reading the headlines my first thought was that I had missed something major, but no, we can argue the 4 cases before the supreme court however, that won’t make a bit of difference, as they have said they don’t want to get involved in the eligibilty issue. I guess the 2000 election fallout is still haunting them.
Now I agree that what is said and the arguments are true, but we are going to hear the same arguments from the left that he IS a natural born ctizen because he was born in Hawaii……..
While I would love nothing more than to see this man removed from office (impeached) and everything he has done voided, I doubt that will happen….Its going to take the current SCOTUS stepping in and defining eligibility. And the Supreme court needs to do so before the next election.
The problem is definitely with the American citizens of this nation. Everyone was quick to jump when Obama ran running for office. All they heard were the words, “Change.” However, no where in any of his speeches did he make mention what type of change that would take place under his leadership. It seems that the people who voted for him did not adequately perform their homework about his background, and he knew this. Here we have a very young junior senator that suddently pops up out of nowhere. The media was controlled through this entire presidential race. Did anyone stop to question who or what was backing Obama in order for him to jump out in the forefront in all of his seemingly “glory”?
People need to wake up and study what George Soros is all about. He is behind each country’s financial downfall, and considers it to be “fun.” George Soros is so steeped in our government behind the scenes and is the person pulling the strings. No one, especially a junior senator, can suddenly rise from an invisible position to president without someone in the background pulling the strings. Check out Peolosi, Frank, the Clintons, Obama and everyone else in our government. Even Gingrich may have ties to Soros. Soros is the epitome of evil in every sense of the word.
People need to wisen up if we are to save our nation from destruction. It seems it is going to hell in a handbag. . . .and the American citizens who voted Obama into office are responsbile. Obama was only the puppet of someone more powerful.
Do read Minor. Do it carefully though as punctuation is as important as the words. If you’re a very astute reader you’ll not the reference to the language of a congressional act of 1790. That act was arguably the first violation of the constitution and was repealed. Congress had attempted to extend the meaning of NBC, while creating a naturalization rule as constitutionally empowered, to include those “born beyond the sea” or out of our jurisdiction. The court referred to that nonexistant law to imply that the will of congress had an equal weight to that of the founders in weighting the decision of Minor. Congress has no influence over the constitution at all. Neither does any court. It may be interpreted only using the founders intent as laid out in the founding documents or in lieu of those, taken from “nomenclature” of the period from among them.
As much as I wish it were so, I do not think there is a definitive position on the question in these decisions. Yes, according to Happersett, if you are born on US soil to two citizen parents, you are defintely “natural born.” But that case, nor the other cases, absolutely rule out other possibilities. It is a shame that in Happersett, they did not eliminate the others by getting rid of the “doubts” and stating that they would take the opportunity and state for the record that the native born to two citizen parents situation was, from that point further, the one and only definition of “natural born,” but they did not.
So now we are left with Marco Rubio, who was born in Florida to two legal NON-CITIZENS, claiming he is natural born. And of course Obama claims that being born in Hawaii (putting aside the doubts on that) to ONE citizen parent makes him natural born. While it is likely the founders would disagree with both, no court has ever absolutely ruled on those circumstances. That is why, with millions of us doubtful as to Obama’s legality, it is so irresponsible and cowardly of our present court to not take up the challenge and settle the issue once and for all.
Sorry for typo – -that should read “must be arrested” – –
ALL those, culpable, for “vetting” this fraud must be held accountable; let’s start with princess pelosi and the “rest of her tribe”! Every last one, including obama-soetoro, himself, must be arrest, tried for espionage and treason and stood in front of a US military firing squad. Lead is far more “permanent” and positive than rope!
What I would like to see done is that he gets no penuche as a president and his title as president be striped from him,And placed on social security and not to be able to draw from his last five years as president but from the last five years before he became president.
and pay for his own insurance plan.
But I dough if any thing will be done it will all be sweep under the carpet like most government things never to dealt with.
The Truth is “Easy to Understand”-! U.S.Citizenship-Rights are–‘By Inheritance’-!
If you have 2 parents, who are “Legally Married”–& both have U.S.Citizenships, &
they had a “Legally-Born Heir” within U.S.Lands–(This is a “Natural-Born Citizen” of the United States-!) (He or She) is a “Natural-Born Heir” entitled to “Inherit”
every-right of Citizenship–that these U.S. Parents have in their possession-!
Parents that U.S. Citizenships have ‘every-right’ to pass “by Inheritance”–these
‘Citizenship-Rights’ to their “Legal-Children”–without further Questions-! The men who wrote the Constitution–knew the importance of “Inheritance Rules” very well-! (YOU ONLY RECEIVE WHAT YOU ARE “LEGALLY GIVEN”-!) An
“Adopted” child–born in a foreign-country, isn’t a “Natural-Born” Citizen-! Thus,
a “Naturalized Citizen” is one, who’s “Adopted” by the “Incorporated” U.S. Govt.–after passing certain requirements-! One Mature-Parent, who is a U.S. Citizen–
can give their “Child”–a U.S. Citizenship-Right–but not a “Natural-Born Citizenship”-! (If they’re married to a foreign-born person–this bars the “Natural-Born Citizen” Status-!)
So why in the world is he STILL in office???? Drag his ass out in cuffs and leg irons and put him in prison for fraud and treason!! Sick of hearing it and NO ONE doing anything about it!! why??!!! is he above the law?????? WAKE UP !
December 21st, 2012 please hurry!!!!!!!
The ignorance, the stupidity, the outright hatred… its saddening, sickening, for a man, who is TRYING to help this nation out of a hole made by greed and stupidity, mainly on the backs of the Republicans… but it seems every blogger site I go to, the covert racism is so thick you can almost smell it, and my, does it reek. What is most heinous is the outright lies and falsehoods, and the obliviousness to logic, factual information, and actual events. You people ‘believe’ in the lies spread by the GOP thinktanks, and spread it around like its your own thoughts, when its obvious that most of you probably have trouble beating your wife and kids, and drinking a beer at the same time (I’m sorry, that was uncalled for, we all know those aren’t your kids…lolz)… whats wrong with AMERICANS is that half of you are STILL bigoted, racist, ignorant, hypocrites, even after all the progress has been made, but your still too chicken sh!t to say what you REALLY think… believe me, I see many of you everyday, hear it from your lips in ‘private’… I wish there really was a god to judge you all, judge all of us… for your hearts are as black as the depths of an endless well, your love shallow and fake… you are the fodder the corporate machine feeds to its monster… you are the end of world…
For those of you who don’t understand the difference between NBC, naturalized citizen, and a citizen that is unconstitutionally being applied by the 14th amendment, here are the distinctions. NBC is the highest level of citizenship and is the only one eligilble to be president (born of two US parents on US soveriegn soil -ie, the USA, military base, embassy, etc). natuarlized citizen is one who came here and later legally became a citizen. A citizen as being miss applied and unconstitutionally applied by the 14th amendment is a child who is simply born on US soil period (no regard for the citizenship of the parents)-this appears to be the argument that commies/subversives and useful idiots are applying to Obama. However, as defined by the founders in their writings only a NBC can be president.
Lastly, what is ironic about the Obama case is before the 2008 presidential election, Obama charged McCain as not being a NBC (Because McCain was born in Panama while his father was in the Navy and stationed there). The Senate conducted an investigation and found McCain to be a NBC. Because both McCain’s parents were citizens and he was born on a US military base in Panama. Case closed. Where was the investigation on Obama?????????? The guy who made the accusation against McCain. Classic commie move. Make counter accusations, deflect, and deny.
What is interesting in the main thesis of this article is the Supreme Court doesn’t acknowledge the other part of Natural Born Citizen. Which is to be born on American Soveriegn Soil. There are two parts to that definition, the one the court acknowledged and the the part about being born on US soil. To just say the constitution does not make mention of the definition is short sided, because the founders wrote explicitly and also (while I don’t advocate international law-but in this case it definately applies because of the international applications to what a citizen is) that international law at the time defined a natural born citizen with the same two requirements. While I am a lot more willing to accept the courts ruling that the child must me born to two US citizens than just to be born on US Soil (like some are advocating) I still maintain that the natural born citizen was intentionally and distinctly put in as a requirement to be president for reasons to hinder foreign unloyal infiltrators the ability to access the presidency (just think about the latter definition-that means all children born on US soil born to illegal immigrants are now eligible to be president) Does any one really believe the founders wanted that?? Now that is just another rewriting of the constitution so the communist and subversives can have access to the presidency. No I stick with the founders on this, you must be a person born to two US citizens and on American Soil (to include military bases abroad, Embassies, etc-As they are considered Sovering US Soil).
James Conley, above, is a rambling rose. I cant tell whether he’s with us or agin’ us. He needs to remove the comma from his keyboard!!!
We’ve got to get that clown out of office any way we can before he totally abolishes our republic and ruins our way of life!!
I am the bubble-burster. Obama is here to stay. Do I think he is a usurper? Yes. Do I agree with the opinion the Founders sought to keep divided loyalty out of the Presidency? Yes. Do I think we are living in a time of Constitutional Crisis? Yes.
Obama is a creation of what I will term The Power Elite. The Power Elite have taken control of the land mass, people, and treasure of what is termed The United States. This is a natural evolution. Throughout the existence of The United States, groups have sought to use laws either existing or by their creation, to further their self-interest. This is nothing new. A critical mass was attained at some point in the 20th Century. At this point, the Power Elite permanently changed The United States from a republic to an oligarchy.
The debate can rage on about natural born citizen. It does not matter. Ex post facto has no bearing on the issue. The rules of the land (rules are created by rulers) will be changed, adapted and interpreted to keep the Power Elite as the ruling class.
The Power Elite make the rules The rules say any challenge to their Rule is terrorism, treason, a criminal act, and therefore subject to rules which remove the dissidents from the stage. The police state enforces the rules.
it is able to be changed, though at risk of imprisonment and death. The Founders were not idealists, they were realists. They formed the republic out of negotiations based on self-interest. There is nothing inherently evil about self interest, (though it can evolve into tyranny).
John Hancock was a merchant. He was not, in my opinion, any sort of idealist. He wanted the government to stay out of his business. This, in it’s own manner, is a noble thought filled with self-interest. He risked imprisonment and death with his bold signature on the Declaration of Independence.
Bringing the oligarchy back to the status of a republic will require bold action. Jefferson warned of the banks. Jackson did as well. Two natural born citizens warning of the greatest threat to the republic.
The Power Elite are the banks, they control the politicians who inhabit the offices in the Congress. They control the inhabitants of the Executive branch. Some of them occupy powerful positions, such as the Treasurer. They are one seat away from controlling the majority in the Judicial branch.
Any discussion on any forum (let us use this one as an example), between two individuals who express interest in change to the current situation , is de facto conspiracy to overthrow the Power Elite.
This is the reality. Deal with it.
Oh wow, I just read all the comments. You people are hilarious.
Let’s review other presidents whose parents weren’t born in America: Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.
The problem does not lie with Obama. The real problem is with the United States citizens. The citizens voted for him and the Democrats. Obviously they don’t see how evil these people are, or do they? I sat in church with a young supporter of Obama who was thrilled with the idea of taxing the rich a distributing the money to their supporters. Obama in not only pro choice, he was for killing any baby that survived the abortion. The people who voted for him knew what they were voting for, it didn’t matter who was in the suit. The Democratic Party and their supporters are filled with greed envy and murder and they are proud of it. That’s why do they work so hard at getting rid of the 10 commandments. We need to focus on defeating Obama and the Democrats or Demoncrats as I prefer to call them on election day.
In this country, we have those who are American in CHARACTER as well as nationality, and we have those who are American in name only (AINO). I would hesitate to characterize Obama even as the latter. He has made mistakes no grade school kid would make (e.g., “…fifty-seven states…”). He has shown disrespect to European heads of state. By contrast, he has demonstrated obsequiousness to Muslim heads of state, and on one instance, has bowed down so low that had that head of state turned around, he could have kissed his ass. He is on record as having insulted the Israeli Prime Minister.
His conduct of canceling National Day of Prayer, and holding Muslim events on the White House lawn, gives me sufficient probable cause to brand him as a closet Muslim. Unlike Christianity, where we are expected to proclaim Jesus as Lord, even at the risk of our lives, “Taquia” is a Muslim core belief that it is perfectly okay to lie if it will advance Islam.
In what may have been a slip of the tongue, Michelle Obama once referred to Kenya as Obama’s home country. If he is not a citizen, where are his immigration records and naturalization papers? Why are his education records sealed? Could they show that he attended as a foreign student? Why is it that all three versions of Obama’s birth certificate are suspected of being forgeries? (I am waiting to see what Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio’s people turn up in their investigation of Obama’s birth certificate[s] and his eligibility to serve as President.) Is it possible we have an “illegal” occupying the White House?
Impeachment is not an option because it presupposes a legitimate sitting President. If he is sitting there fraudulently, he should be removed forthwith and tried for fraud. A Federal Grand Jury should also look into his involvement in “Fast and Furious” and the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. If he, Holder, and other BATF bigwigs are true-billed for criminal conspiracy to violate gun laws, he and his stooges should also be tried for “felony murder” in Agent Terry’s death.
People, it is no longer an issue of ineligibility to serve as President. There is a Hell of a lot more involved here. I am expecting our Lord to complain about the air pollution and stench arising to His residence from Earth, because THIS WHOLE THING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN.
President Pinocchio would never be removed. We don’t have a constitutional government any longer. What we have is a nation of men and not a nation of law and order.
When Obama was a senator, he stated in one of his speeches that he was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii and yet was voted as president of the US. Yet I never see anyone using the statement in any of the court cases against him. Why? Is the statement authentic or was a video of his speech doctored? Curious?
Thomas, You are wayyy out there!!!!! And as for US tearing the nation to bits–u r wrong!!! OBAMA IS DOING THAT!!!!!
Here’s the deal people—They are trying to dismantle the constitition,ALL of them are guilty and should be removed from office!!! Newt is always promoting Marco Rubio for VP,KNOWING FULL WELL that he doesn’t meet constitutional requirements!! Once again the GOP has gave us candidates that they think are un electiable! So what do we do??? WE the people are their boss!!! ITS TIME TO FIRE ALL OF THEM IMEADIATELY!!!! ESPECIALLY THE USURPER!!!!
There will be no one to challenge the current illegal president from his destruction of the USA. Hopefully, there will be one congressman who will STAND UP and demand that this illegal be tried for treason and placed into office, not legally, under the Constitution of the United States of America!
Those who declared that he is legal should also be tried for treason.
The punishment….We The People should be the executioners of those individuals who allowed crimes upon America and the legal citizens!!!!!!! There are way too many corrupt politicians in DC!
Time for us to take back our country!
Too much time has been wasted!
I just finished Anthropology in college. If you look at various cultures, it is noted that specific cultures are patrilineal or matrilineal. In Kenya, the culture is of patrilineal dissent. This means that President Obama belongs to his FATHER’S family – not his mother’s. The mother has the role of nurturing children. BUT, in the event of a divorce, the children remain with the Father and his family. They do not go with their mother. This makes the decision as to where children would live – with their father or mother easy to determine. In a patrilineal society, there is no question that the children would reside with the father and his family. Why hasn’t anyone considered this as an additional deciding factor as to whether or not Obama is eligible to serve as President of this nation?
This is what everyone has been saying,The lefts excuse,”Conspirators”.IF obamer is ineligable then the libtards are also ineligable.He should not be impeached but simply excused.He should then be tried for fraud and then the democratic party,they should be disbanned and those that know about this should be tried for treason.Pelosi,Reid,Holder,Obama’s wife,Biden,Clinton.If the Supreme Court does nothing about this they should be impeached also.Or is it them that consider themselves elitest and are they then above the law.I guess all of these so called conspirators were right about the terrorist in the whitehouse.America could not be taken down from without but it can certainly be taken down from within.God help us all.
I Grew Up,In A Republican Family,But I Jumped Ship,In 1960,to Vote For J.F.K./L.B.J.,I was Young and “STUPID”or “UNINFORMED”,And after I Seen,The Communist Direction, Our Government was going,I Became a “REPUBLICAN”,However,With the Election of Richard M,Nixon,I Became DOUBTFUL of the “REPUBLICAN PARTY”,And Discovered,I WAS,A CONSTITUTIONIST,But there was NO CONSTITUTION PARTY,Which That Problem is being Corrected,There Is A CONSTITUTION PARTY FORMING,And Though we are Small at present,We Are Growing,And The CONSTITUTION PARTY,Will be a Contender in the future!…
I Have read The Comments offered,And Respect Those,Who have responded,However,I Must Admonish,Thomas;The Wind Blows and the dog barks,With all due respect,I Disagree with you,You Are , Aparently a person,Who Dislikes,The American People,The Same as Obama,May I Suggest to you,If You are not satisfied Being Here,Then BY ALL MEANS!(Available)LEAVE AMERICA,You Are a FRIEND! in PEACE !,Or, In WAR OUR, EMEMY.YOUR CHOICE,EITHER LOVE U.S.,Or Leave U.S.
John Dummett;Has done a very good Job,Of Explaining,His Position,And actions,And He Is ,Attempting,To Bring You to an understanding,Of How This is to be accompolished,And as a CONSTITUTIONIST,I Must CONCUR,However I TooAnd i am Admiting,I Have Called for IMPEACHMENT,But After reading Mr.Dunnetts Comments,I can See the error of my way, WE Can Not Impeach an UN-Lawful President,(THAT is Not Prudent, BUT, Constitutional (UNDER NORMAL Circumstances),nor in the Best interest of the Law!,Since we Also Not only Need ,To Get the Chicken,But Also,The Flock,As Well,Or We Defeat,Our National Purpose,Of Thining OUT the LICE on the CHICKINS!. Do You Get my DRIFT???,SO Let The CONSTITUTION and The LAW,Respctively,Do The JOB!, Give them Enough Rope and they will HANG Themselves!……! ! ! !…………I Just have to Wonder?,Why did Obama,Decide to have Christmas,In Hawii?,Surely not to tamper with official Documents!,NAAAH,Just my suspicious Mind!……….! ! ! ??????????….
Apparently, evidence shows that Obama was placed on the ballot illegally, constitutinf fraud. He was not vetted properly by the DNC or they would have discovered Obama’s ineligibility. But knowing the liberal’s philosopky, it did not matter. Obama was a socialist, bent on changing our Republic to a socialistic European style country. Just what the “liberals” desire. Obama probably can not be impeached, but lets pray the DNC will not place this liar and scammer on the ballot AGAIN!
So, this also includes all illegal born children to adult, that have been born in America – they are not American citizens just because they were born here. Am I correct? If so, that means they have no right to take advantage of our country.
Apparently, evidence shows that Obama was originally placed on the ballot illegally, constituting fraud. He was not vetted properly by the DNC or they would have discovered Obama’s ineligibility. Knowing the liberal’s philosophy, it did not matter. Obama was a socialist, bent on changing our Republic to a socialistic European style country. Just what the “liberals” desire for this great nation. Obama probably can not be impeached at this time, but lets pray the powers that be ( DNC ) will not place this liar, this scammer illegally on the the ballot AGAIN.
JOHN DUMMETT, I’m Ted Gager. It’s an absolute pleasure as well as the answer to my prayers having the knowlegde that someone like yourself is finally standing up for our nation. I’m a conservative. I will follow and support your efforts from now on. May you have all of the strength and support required to keep up the fight. I will visit the sites you listed….THANK YOU FELLOW PATRIOT!
If, as this article claims, placing Obama’s name of the 2012 ballot would be a fraud by the Democratic party, then doesn’t if also follow that having placed his name on the 2008 ballot equally constitute fraud? If that is so, what is to be done about it, and by whom, Liberty Legal Foundation?
Don’t impeach him, just evict him and take away his keys, salary and most of all his authority. Bar him from the US and deport the SOB
Why the wait? Better yet why the law suits, unless they are to be brought against those guilty of knowingly breaking this already established presidence? I’ve always said that Obama senior’s status was the, fly in our faces, real obvious problem. For goodness sakes! I feel like I’m watching the Mickey Mouse Club. They’ll blow this off, wait and see. All three branches of what use to be the US government are totally corrupted and in Kahoots with each other. Sound general quarters, we’re under attack from all sides….What a demoralizing state of affairs for our once great nation. Those involved should be found guilty of nothing less than treason. They should be stood up and shot by way of firing squad for their treacherous actions against our nation. But…..probably not! We are the laughing stock of the world.
GET THE PIG………….OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The authors of the U.S. Constitution relied heavily on Vattel’s “Law of Nations” for reference in composing the great document that is still alive and valid to this day. Vattel was very clear on what a “natural born” citizen was and, at the time, it was as obvious to our founders what the definition of “natural born” was as it should be today. “Law of Nations” is available on the web and anyone can read it FREE. This should be considered one of the main references to our Constitution as are other documents like the Federalist Papers.
The term is from Law of Nations from Vattel and referenced in Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 10.
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the
country, of parents who are citizens.
This is the meaning the writers of the US Constitution were referencing. And this issue is currently at the Supreme Court under Docket number 11-7275 – Purpura v Sebelius. We need to get the Court to hear the case – a Miracle on 34th Street is needed to convince the Justices to hear the case. The Supreme Court filings can be found at
http://www.jerseyshoreteaparty.org/healthcare/Supreme_Court/
This suit was filed back in September of 2010. People may also like to read this document
http://dlaster.com/DOCUMENTS/Why_Barrack_H_Obama_Jr_is_not_President.pdf
which is part of the case. This flyer discusses the other 14 Counts in the suit.
http://www.jerseyshoreteaparty.org/healthcare/Other_Items/Flyer-11-2303-Counts.pdf
This is copied and pasted directly from the article above.
Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution states: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
While the Supreme Court did indeed establish the definition of a natural born Citizen in 1875, that first “or” in Section 1 of Article 2 that states “natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States” has been critically overlooked. It invalidates your eligibility argument. OR.
I CERTAINLY HOPE THIS IS NOT A (BACK DOOR) WAY TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND THEN WE WILL BE STUCK WITH OBUMMER. IF THE SUPREME COURT SAID THAT HE IS INELIGABLE TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT, AND THEY ARE THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND, WHY ISN’T HE SIMPLY THROWN IN PRISON FOR FRAUDULANT ACTIONS OF WHICH HE KNEW, ALL ALONG, AND THEN PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. WHAT IS THIS, “IF HIS NAME APPEARS ON THE 2012 BALLET HE IS INELIGIBLE AND HIS NAME SHOULDN’T APPEAR”. OBUMMER IS SUING SHERIFF JOE FOR DELVING INTO HIS PAST AND SHERIFF JOE IS ALSO RECEIVING DEATH THREATS FROM THE MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL. WHY IS OBUMMER SUING??? THAT TELLS IT ALL!
The stupidity of some is a sad thing.
O is not eligible because as he states in his modified long form BC, his dad was NOT a citizen. He states his dad was a citizen of Kenya, in 1961 ( O’s birthday) There was no Kenya until 1964!!!
Vattels law was used to write parts of the constitution which states the definition of natural born. This is all from brittish laws used universally in the educated world.
But, I feel we need to wait until he is out of office to procecute him to be most effective.
We also will need to go after the current politicians primarily Pelosi for the fraud involved.
We need to defeat the news media at the same time to get fair reporting.
I pray the military steps in and starts the arrests and stabilizes this country.
The wind blows and the dogs bark. I lift up a rock and look what creatures are crawling around under it! I voted for President Obama and when he runs again I will proudly vote for him again. He is a citizen of this Great Nation and I am proud that he is. Do you people actually think that McCain and Palin would have done better than President Obama has done?
He was the best person available for the job in 2008 and he will be the best person for the job in 2012. Why don’t you all just quit your complaining and negativism and get together with the rest of us who are trying to build our country up, instead of tearing it to bits? Sit around and sing “Kumbaya” once in a while. You will be surprised how it helps your attitudes.
The invasion and continuing conquest of Libya is clearly a violation of the Law Of Nations, as found at “The Law Of Nations”, Vattel.
Does this mean that the Americans are not vicariously liable for that Crime because the CEO is not properly in office ?
Or, could it mean that the Americans are double-plus liable due to looking the other way from the start regarding Obama ?
Ugh..I left out a “non” before citzens in the last paragraph and made the whole post confusing as a result.
What I meant to say was there was never doubt as to the NBC status of those born in the US to NON-citizen parents. By that I mean, they were known to NOT be NBC. The doubt was whether that class, born in us to NON citizens, were even CITIZENS.
Latest rumor has it that Obama’s real identity is Bari Malik Shabazz.
I keep hearing everyone screaming for somebody to standup and remove Soetoro from office. I simply point out to such DEMANDERS that since they are (ALLEGED )citizens of America they too should be PART of the removal instead of looking for somebody else to do it. For their information it is often referred to as WE THE PEOPLE.
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I served Pelosi, Reid and Wasserman along with the National Democratic Party and the Democratic National Commitee to enjoin them not to certify anyone eligible to be President unless they provide proof that they meet all three conditions set forth in the Constitution. This means Obama will not be on the 2012 ballot because he can’t provide proof. By extrapolation one could make an easy case if he can’t prove it this time around he could not prove it last time. Catch 22. Also on the subject of impeachment. Impeachment is a form of redress for a legally elected official. Since Obama never was legally elected he is not eligible to be impeached. If we do it will be our worst nightmare because he will have established precedence. Then anyone can be our president when our founders clearly did not want this to happen. Remember the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776 and the Constitution in 1789. In all those years it too to write does anyone out there truly think the framers of the Constitution did not know every single word sentence and punctuation mark meant? They argued years over commas and periods so don’t let anyone fool you that they made any mistake writing that document. There is only one penalty set aside for a traitor in a time of war. It is spelled out in the Constitution. The other lie I want to put to rest is the term Natural Born Citizen was addresses four separate times by the Supreme Court. Obama fell into the definition where BOTH PARENTS MUST HAVE BEEN NATURALIZED OR NATURAL BORN THEMSELVES TO PASS ON NBC STATUS ON THEIR CHILDREN. OBAMA’S FATHER WAS BORN IN KENYA AND NEVER WAS A CITIZEN PERIOD. There are no ex post facto laws in this country. Obama must adhere to the laws on the book at the time of his birth and guess what. THE IMMIGRATION ACT IN FORCE AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH REQUIRED BOTH PARENTS TO BE NATURALIZED OR NATURAL BORN PERIOD and no amount of wishing it weren’t so wont make it so. My suit will nail that USURPER. Just go to http://www.johndummett.us and then to the Liberty Legal Foundation and read about my suit.
okay, we screwed up and elected a non-NBC candidate. and he was a disaster, probably just as the Founders envisioned: Divided Loyalties.
can we NOT keep him off the 2012 ballot, admit our mistake, and get on with fixing our country? would that be So Hard To Do?
SCOTUS ARE YOU LISTENING???
Contrary to what people think the immigration and naturalization answered how many parents need to be naturalzed or natural born themselves to pass NBC status on their child. There are four separate Supreme Court Decisions that speak as clear as a bell on the NBC issue. Besides that there are some Amendments to the Constitution that do too. Because someone does not know or is blind to these facts does not make it so. When Obama was born the LAW states BOTH PARENTS must have been naturalized or natural born themselves before any child born to them could be considered Natural Born Citizens. Obama is bound by the laws on the books at the time of his birth not what has passed since that. Anyone who does not realize this has not studied their own government or don’t know what they are talking about or are Obama supporters period. There are three different types of citizens in this nation. Native born, (people born in the United States) Naturalized, (people born in another country but became US citizens by swearing an oath to the United States and Natural Born Citizens, jus soli and jus sanquin, of the soil and of the blood meaning BOTH PARENTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. Every single school age children until the Socialists got a hold of the education system in this nation in the Sixties knew exactly what a natural born citizen was. Yes the Immigration and Naturalization Act passed after Obama was born stated a NBC was the child of one parent born in the United States. EX POST FACTO LAW prevents Obama from taking advantage of this. I am not a law student and I know this and so should every American grade school student. The problem is most people are asleep in class or was taught by a gym teacher or was too busy looking up the skirt of the girl or pants of the boy sitting next to them in class. Well I paid attention. Look at the Constitution. Look at anything that speaks about the Age of Enlightenment or read anything by the major thinkers of the 18th Century to see what they had to say about one’s relationship towards one’s nation. Ignorance is no excuse. Article II Section I Clause 5 is specific. You must be a natural born citizen to be President as opposed to a citizen to be a Senator. Or is it that some people think the framers of the Constitution made a mistake? Are you kidding. Again if anyone paid attention in class they would know that our Founders fought tooth and nail on if this nation was to be a Representative Republic with the States havng most the power or if we would have a strong Federal Government instead. Do yourself a favor, read the Federalist Papers. When this nation first started out it was call the Government of the United States. The key word is United States. This is why each State has its own Constitution and why there are only 18 enumerated duties ascribed to the Federal Government. Abraham Lincoln set us down this slippery slope during and after Reconstruction but I know this is too much for the ordinary person just trying to figure out if Obama is eligible to be President. Most say that the Government would never lie to us. IS THAT RIGHT? When have we ever been told the truth? The government counts on the ignorance and yes, even stupidity of most Americans in order to remain in power. Well there are those of us out there, we know who we are , who knows what is happening. We will not follow the Judas Goat. We will not let this Republic be taken over in a bloodless coup. Also I did see where someone hopes Obama is impeached. FOR GOD’s SAKE PRAY THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN. Impeachment is a redress for a legally elected President. Impeach Obama and you legitimize him by precedence. There is only one redress for a traitior and that is the prison wall of the firing squad wall. You pick em he deserves on or the other for his traitorous acts against this nation. When he goes to war with Iran real soon to circumvent the lawsuit I have against him I will be able to tell you ” I told you so”
But nowhere does this say that the *only* way to be a natural-born citizen is to be born of two citizens. It never implicently or explicitely excludes the possibility that a person could be a natural-born citizen with lesser or differing credentials.
It seems that all along Obama Ben Ladens goal was to destroy America. So far he’s done a great job of it. When he accomplishes his task he will declare himself the first dictator of the United States. This will be another Muslim nation with him as our new Mohammed. Won’t that be great?
The congress should have impeached him a long time ago. Why haven’t they? I wish I had an answer to that. Obama has avoided, bypassed and basically ignored the Constitution and all it stands for. Yet he swore “to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States”. Did he swear it on the Holy Bible or the Koran? If on the Bible, since he is a Muslim, he probably feels that it is not a valid oath. If this is not impeachable I don’t know what is. I call it treason. And that is certainly impeachable. If nothing else it is perjury which you or I would go to jail for.
Here he is telling the world that he is a Muslim. So, who was responsible for 9/11? What religion preaches that America is the Devil and should be killed at all costs? Look at the facts and decide if Obama is good for America!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
When elected Obama had a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. He could have pushed through all kinds of bills to heal this nation with no opposition. Now the House is Republican and he complains that the Republicans are stopping everything he plans to get this country back on track. He had his chance and blew it. Is the country better off with Obamacare? When exactly has the government run anything successfully? There is a story going around that a house of ill repute was taken over by the government and still lost money. Is the country better off with more government control and restrictions. Ask any businessman in America how much better off they are now as opposed to before Obama. That’s why we are unemployed. No business can afford to hire more people due to government restrictions. More businesses are moving out of the country to avoid all the rules and laws of the government. Can you really blame them? Is the country better off by raising the debt limit to such a high number that we will never be able to pay it off? Did we give Obama a chance? We sure did and look what happened.
With Obama Bin Laden leading this country the question of illegals is irrelevant . When he destroys out economy enough to equal a third world country there will not be any illegals coming here. Even the ones we have now will be leaving since our economy will be worse then where they came from. There, problem solved!
I saw a question about what are the requirements to have natural born status conferred upon oneself. What one must first understand is the law regarding ex-post facto laws. In this nation ex-post facto laws are illegal and unconstitutional. In essecence, one is bound by the laws at the time of ones birth. The law regarding NBC determination when Obama was born stated that both parents must have been naturalized or natural born themselves before their children were born to confer that status upon their progeny. Since it is an undisputed fact that Obama Sr was born in Kenya and never ever was a citizen of the United States in anyway, Obama Jr’s Natural Born Status is moot. He can never ever be considered natural born period. This is the fact that prevents Obama from being eligible to hold the office he now does. Everyone knows it too. By the time Obama was elected it was too late. Imagine the first Black man elected President nullified because of a Constitutional technicality? Does anyone remember what happened in Los Angeles when the police who beat Rodney King were aquitted. LA nearly burned to the ground. I am positive beyond a shadow of a doubt that politicians from both parties agreed to allow sleeping dogs lay because they could count on the stupidity and short term memory of the American Electorate. I can prove my theory another way. Newt Gingrich is surging in the polls. How many Americans remember his sponsored Contract With America. Gingrich was Speaker of the House and he had both houses of Congress the Executive and the Judiciary Branch in his back pocket. How many provisions of that Contract were implemented? And now he wants to do what? Will we ever learn as a people that career politicians are in politics to make a living and not to represent the Will of the People. Gingrich had to quit politics because people were ready to tar and feather him for his Conract On America because that is what it was. If we elect anyone from put on the ballot by either of the parties all we will be doing is stalling the enevitable. Ivy League trained attorneys, career politicians and wealthy business people have nearly destroyed our nation. We should be avoiding them like the plague. We must elect a common ordinary citizen who will do the Will of the People and when his or her term is up go back to being a common ordinary citizen. Our Founding Fathers intended that our nation would be governed by citizen legislators but the people who are in charge now would make Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall seem like pikers. This is why I stood up and confronted a usurper that every single elected and appointed official has refused to confront. I challenge anyone to produce one document that can show that Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President and please don’t waste you time by saying both parties would not have certified Obama if he was not eligible. I tell you that they would sell their own grandmother down river to solidify or maintain control of our government. I used to be a Republica my entire adult life. The last couple of elections have convinced me that there is no real difference between the parties especially after the last election. The sad thing is there is a less of a choice this time around than when that loser McCain ran. Because of this I consider myself a Constitutional Conservative. I have to run as a Republican because of Federal Election Laws. Until we the people start electing leaders instead of politicians we will continue to spiral down in the abyss. A politician is someone like Newt Gingrich who will tell you what you want to hear and deliver nothing. A leader is someone like me. Someone who is actively defending the Constitution. We are a nation of laws where the Constitution serves as the pillars from which we build our society. If we fail to do something as critical as electing someone who is not eligible to hold the office of the Presidency, then we are no longer a nation of laws and the people who control Barrack Obama have won and we have lost our nation. If I can’t help people to understand the wisdom of what I say there is no way I can beat it into them but I can assure you, whatever tryanny takes over if we don’t manage to overturn the election of 2008, you will get all the beatings and killings your heart could desire.
1) The case in question was not about citizenship but the difference between citizenship and the right to vote. At the time, women (the plaintiff was Virginia Minor) were considered citizens but were not eligible to vote.
2) The language “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts” refers to the question of whether or not someone born “within the jurisdiction” is a citizen. The opinion clearly states “it is not necessary to solve these doubts” – clearly showing that the matter was not resolved with this decision.
3) US Code clearly defines citizenship:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
US Code clearly shows that “born in the United States” makes one a citizen. “Resort has to be had elsewhere to ascertain (citizenship)” The US Code is that elsewhere.
While the U.S. Code does indeed define “Citizen” it clearly does not address, “Natural Born Citizen” which is the language ascribed by the Constitution regarding those who are eligible to serve as President. For THAT definition, one must refer to the 4 Supreme Court opinions reprinted in the article. This is a crucial difference which cannot be passed over.
Well after reading the above comment, that answered my question…it only applies to the presidents seat.
So correct me if I’m wrong, to be a natural born citizen BOTH parents have to be legal, then what’s up with “anchor babies”?? In most cases anchor babies parents are both illegal. If so then anchor babies should be considered illegal right?? I also heard obama is trying to pass a “law” “bill” so a president can serve a third term, can anybody confirm this?? It appears this president seems to think he’s above the law. He’s gotta go!!
Greetings Folks
I have read nearly all of the posts listed here and some of the people here really just don’t understand anything about our nation. I am the lead plaintiff in the Liberty Legal Foundations case. Several people nailed the whole question spot on when they pointed out that our nation already has dealt with what it means to be a Natural Born Citizen. The term itself was widely understood and only uneducated or poorly educated Americans don’t understand what it means or why that NBC clause was inserted in the Constitution. The reason why it was placed in the Constitution only for the President of the United States and no other office it to prevent someone with divided loyalties from getting elected to our highest office. One gentleman said correctly that the founders of this nation excluded themselves. This is correct otherwise how could Washington been President. What the founders meant to do was exclued anyone else after the signing of the Constitution from serving as President unless that person was not only born on US soil but either his parents were too or that they were both naturalized before their child was born. Both the Sotemayor and Kagan will have to recuse themselves when this gets to the Supreme Court. They will be forced to by the other Supreme Court Justices, especially Thomas and Roberts. Roberts has said he wont ever quit his post until Obama is gone. Obama and his ilk made an enemy out of Thomas. What I intended to do with this case is to make the DNC show me what they used to certify Obama eligible to be President. The DNC is mandated to certify their candidates that they meet the Constitutional eligibility requirements. Pelosi originally did but quickly removed her signature when she realized she could not certify Obama. This should scream the loudest to all non believers or Obama supporters teh most. Van Irons of the Liberty Legal Foundation and I have already Served Pelosi, Reid and Wassserman to make them produce the evidence that made them sign their name that Obama was eligible. The burden of proof is shifted to them. We are not suing the Federal government or any candidate. This means that there will be no executive privilege to supress any document because what the DNC used to cetify Obama is part of the public record. If the DNC can’t produce any proof then Obama is not eligible to be placed on the 2012 ballot. This will mean he has no business even running for the same office I am running for. If he is allowed to run even though he is not eligible it will take away votes that could have legitimately gone to me. IT iS NOT UP TO ANYONE TO SAY I DON”T HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING. This is not how our legal system works. Chance has nothing to do with the situation. Besides, if I am the one who finally brings this nightmare to an end because of the plan I thought of to do an end around on the usurper in the White House I would say that more than makes me the logical person to get elected to that office in 2012 and become the 44th President of the United States because as far as I am concerned, and a lot of other people too, we do not have a legal President serving this great Republic. You can read more about my campaign and help support my effort to expose Obama and get elected President of the United States by going to http://www.johndummett.us God bless the United States of America John Albert Dummett Jr. Candidate, President of the United States, Republican Ticket 2012
Mr. Dummett…YOU sir, are a PATRIOT. I applaud your efforts and the unique application of not only the law but the Constitution in this case. It is my pleasure to bring your plan and the Liberty Legal Foundation to the attention of our readers. As I have clearly pointed out, only 4 written opinions from the Supreme Court address the Natural Born issue and the action of which you are undertaking shows those opinions, consistently, determine Obama to be ineligible. In this regard, between 1814 and 1898, the Supreme Court has ruled on this issue not once but 4 times and in concert. Precedent has been set and it is now up to those who adhere to the rule of law to see that the law is no longer subverted.
Thanks for your input to this post!!
Craig Andresen
The National Patriot.
NOO!!! Stop and think people. If the President cannot fulfill his office, guess who becomes President! Think about it. Joe Biden may be the stupidest man in America and the only person less qualified than Obama.
If you’d like to see the case in the NY courts regarding what constitutes a natural born citizen, the link is here:
http://pixelpatriot.blogspot.com/2011/09/statute-in-new-york-state-law-defines.html#comment-form
I had read the article defining “natural born citizen” but it was not listed clearly in the Constitution so many were slanting it to whatever they wanted it to be. It was listed very clearly in Real Estate Law. The case brought by 9 attorney’s in the NY courts was to be heard by a Judge at the end of October. So far, I’ve heard nothing else about it.
In reference to the Constitution written as “…or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President:’” That was written because our country had just formed and everyone here had been a citizen of Europe/UK.
I heard that he had been working on “changing the consitution.” Is this why? He has worked very hard to destroy our Great Nation and We The People. Get Rid of him now!!
@ Norman Judges Sotamayor and Kagen will not recuse themselves because if Obama loses, they lose.
There is no need for them to recuse themselves as in this action, the case is for the Circuit Courts and not for the Supreme Court to decide.
This article is contradictory. Article 2 Section 1 states that ‘No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President:’ The phrase ‘Or a Citizen of the United States’ clearly includes citizens without the natural-born modifier. It is impossible to interpret it any other way.
Also, the court has a history of overturning precedent that is that old. 1875 is a long way to reach back to attempt to do that. In the 1964 case, Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States (379 U.S. 241), Moreton Rolleston Jr. attempted to use a case from the 1900s in a similar fashion, and lost.
Ben, cherry picking certain words out of a sentence is unsatisfactory. You have chosen the words, “…Or a citizen of the United States…” out of the complete sentence, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President:.” When examined in it’s entire context, the founders clearly realized that there would be those serving in the early years of the republic who would have been born in places other than the United States and therefore, they included the words, “…at the time of the adoption of this Constitution…” Unless someone alive today was born outside the united states before 1776, that portion of the complete sentence would not apply.
“A very bright, intelligent, gay man who is an Anti-American, Anti-Colonialist, National Socialist-Nazi S.O.W. who has surpassed his Mentor Saul Alinsky with left wing radical ideology and the financial backing of the PuppetMaster Georgie Soros. NannyBotox PeLousy should be TRIED and JAILED for the fraudulent “certification” that he was ELIGIBLE to run for POTUS on the Dim Ticket. He’s nothing more than a common criminal who does the bidding of others. A USURPER who needs to be physically REMOVED from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, D.C. in handcuffs with his brood, his sick-twisted Czars and the clothes on his skinny-crack-whoor-back. GTFO Barry Hussein…”
EXACTLY!
@Illegal Immigrant: Obama is NOT my president, and you need to GTFO with him!!!!!!
On January 20th, 2009 a usurper became the putative President of the United States casting our nation into a Constitutional crisis. Though the ramifications are seemingly incalculable, it is self-evident that if Barack Obama is given a pass from justice when history tells us it can and should be blind; then the Rule of Law and the Constitution as the bedrock of our Republic will be utterly meaningless.
The TRUTH remains TRUE even if it falls on deaf ears and a blind eye.
Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address extolled the necessity of “Equal and exact justice to all men”
http://pixelpatriot.blogspot.com/2011/11/top-secret-declassified-document.html
I’m with you Tim, I miss President Reagan too. I also think that Barry is the son of Satan-himself and a mooSLUM who believes HE is the 12th imam.
A very bright, intelligent, gay man who is an Anti-American, Anti-Colonialist, National Socialist-Nazi S.O.W. who has surpassed his Mentor Saul Alinsky with left wing radical ideology and the financial backing of the PuppetMaster Georgie Soros. NannyBotox PeLousy should be TRIED and JAILED for the fraudulent “certification” that he was ELIGIBLE to run for POTUS on the Dim Ticket. He’s nothing more than a common criminal who does the bidding of others. A USURPER who needs to be physically REMOVED from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, D.C. in handcuffs with his brood, his sick-twisted Czars and the clothes on his skinny-crack-whoor-back. GTFO Barry Hussein…
Village. Kenya. Idiot. Any questions??
You American are so ignorant that a Donkey is the smartest animal in the World.
You will fail again and very bad. Obama is American Citizen. period!
And he is your President and you are idioots
Go LLF! I am completely thrilled at the thought that this could pave the way for the removal of the usurper. I can not understand why a congressman/woman has yet to move to have him impeached or tried for treason; if the lawsuit will achieve the same end result, I’m so for it! At the risk of showing (well, confirming) my ignorance, could someone please tell me why the above lawsuit was filed in TN and AZ? I mean, why there and not in other or different states?
The stupidity …it burns.
They will stall as they did last time..this was an issue before he was elected as well..They will stall..the media will not discuss it, it change the subject back to the birth certificate again…What we need is the media to work for America..and stop being Cowards, like the rest of them!!!
” Natural Born Citizen was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. ”
THIS IS INCORRECT. The true wording is; ” all children born in a country of parents WHO WERE IT’S CITIZENS became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,”
So as you can see of the formentioned the place of birth has merit in referance to ” natural born Citizen “.
The parents MUST BE citizens of the country the childs birth took place.
Some say he’s Satin, some say he’s a socialist or even a marxist, all I know for sure is that this man that was elected as OUR President is a Muslim determined to destroy this country and its capitalistic system. Google Clower and Piven theory, the idea is to over load our system, welfare, unemployment and all the other freebies the goverment gives out to the have nots and lazys that dont want to work. It’s just a matter of time, wake up people, this man will be our demise! I pray this is true and somone has the nerve to do what’s right! I sure miss Reagan.
Does not common sense logic work in this case. We have this fellow in politics that talks with such influence that people love him. He says the things we all would like to hear. His grandparents are followers of Hitler, and his dad is Hitler, but his grandparents are U.S. citizens, and their daughter became pregnant via Hitler. She also follows Hitlers ideals. Now this young man was born on USA soil. Question-Is he qualified to become POTUS? Would Americans want to have this man be their president? Common sense logical comparison that is not far off from the truth, only change the name to Barack Obama Sr.
All I can say is that the Judge that makes the honest decision that (Barry Soetoro )Obama (AKA ) is Not Eligable : will go down in History as the America Hero for ever . If we do not have at least one Honest Judge to do the Job as it should be done ASAP this Country is doomed to slavery for ever ! NWO will win and this world s we know it will be the biggest shame ever in all time Just hope that lists of things to get reversed immediately effecting his impeachment or arrest is ready for the measures to take place to get the Job done to save America . Treason trails should start asap also !
Those who affirmed Obama in the first place knew that he was not eligible. Those that affirmed are traitors to the Constitution and should be treated as such. I vote that we hang them from the Key Bridge coming into DC and use them as a warning to all of the enemies of the USA that we do not tolerate traitors or communists/socialists in our Government. Clean out DC and start over again. If we have to start the entire Govt over, so be it! Tell everyone to kiss our arse and flip the bird out!
Dont like it, talk to the end of my M-4 or my F-16 strike fighters! Time to set the world straight!
This could well be the single most important case ever taken up by the US Supreme Court. It will determine, once and for all, just exactly WHO is qualified to be the President of the United States of America! From the previous cases stated it appears perfectly clear (to me, at least) that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT qualified to be the potus and all those in Congress who ‘certified’ him as such are lying criminals, at the least. It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.
I myself strongly believe that he is no eligible, and have researched the subject deeply before coming to this conclusion, but there is one small problem with the assertion of this article. And that is the fact that the court NEVER DID rule that Obama is ineligible.
The case in reference is Minor v. Happersett, from 1875. The following link provides the decision of the court:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_v._Happersett#Decision
Notice the words “Obiter dictum” in the first sentence of the third paragraph. According to the Wikipedia article, “An obiter dictum is a remark or observation made by a judge that, although included in the body of the court’s opinion, does not form a necessary part of the court’s decision.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obiter_dictum
So you see, although it was the judges opinion at the time, a court will not view it as a decision, but rather only an opinion.
It really is too bad that Obama is allowed to get away with the things he’s done. Our country is finished if we allow him to continue in office any longer. It may already be too late.
IF the SCOTUS agrees to hear this case, the second major obstacle will be to get Judges Sotamayor and Kagen to recuse themselves on numerous issues of bias and prejudice. Neither can present any reasonable arguments of indifference that would cause any reasonable man to believe they could hear this case without consciously or unconsciously seeking a path to discharge the matter on some mere technicality so as to avoid a ruling on the merits.
Now what? Who didnt see this coming? How on earth did this happen? What kind of trick will he pull? If he does step down, how on earth do we unravel all his crap? You cant tell me we will have a Constitutionalist in office next time, why do you think they are trying to get Cain to run away? Why do you think they are hiding Ron Paul? This aint over, not by a long shot!!!